Le Tubolare Zagato n°101 fut le Canguro de Bertone

Number History

001

Original color: Rosso .Restored. Show room car. Castelli, Fossati, Cupellini.M. Hayashi, Japan. 2 Cars with same numbers.

002

Original color: White. Sold to Ferroghi. 1968 Sold to Macario, Comelli.Sold to Scarparo who had a fatal crash Italy. Restored. 2001 England.

003


Original color: Verde Bottiglia .1964 1000Km. Nurburgring ,24 Hours Le Mans with Masoero/Rolland. 1965 remove out of the street 2002. I've seen the original car in Italy who needs complet restoration and mecanics parts. 2002 : we've seen the original car in a garden in Italy completely rusted and we took photos of it. 2004 : Car in under mecanic restoration, but still with the untouch body.2006 Restored

004

Original color: Rosso/Beige. Sold to Nerini Roberto crashed in 1968 and rebuilt with a TZ 2 Body. 2001 Italy .

005

Original color: Rosso .2001 Car in Argentina, need restoration. We didn't see the car and the chassis number photo that we see is not correctly stamped ?

006

Original color: Rosso .1964 Targa Florio,1964 24 Hours Le Mans Biscaldi/Sala, Nurburgring. Sant'Ambroeus team Sala.Gallotti, Italy -Holland 2000 we see the car and the body is new and most parts have been transfert to a replica that Roelof built with with number 750087.. 2003 : Still under construction. What is a shame is that this car was used by Tony van der Velde to built a replica at Roelof.

007

Original color: Rosso .1964 12 Hours Sebring Bulgari/Bussinello DNF Fire (front chassis used to repair 014 ) and repair in 1971 .1986 London Auction Sold For 314 000 $ .1993 : Japan - 1995 Sold to Belgium, sold to Spain.

008


Original color: Verde Giallo Facetti. Schultze, Lombardi, Colombo, Bertolero, Colombo, Guarnieri. Arcari, Milan, Italy.1997 Sold to USA. 2001 Fiberglass doors and nose. Color Yellow.

009

Racing car - 27/04/1964 Sold to Inglese Gaetano " PA 131573" 16/11/1964 Sold to Pampinto. "CL 18880" 1965 1000km Monza Panepinto 17 OA - 1965 Targa Florio Panepinto/Parla DNF - 1965 sold to Giugno - 1966 Termini Imeres Caccamo Giugno 10 OA 2cl. 1966 Coppà Nissena Giugno 10 OA 2cl - 1966 Targa Florio Giugno/Parla DNF. 1967 Monte Pellegrino Coppa Achille Varzi - Giugno 6 OA 2cl. 1967 Alcamo Monte Bonifato - Giugno 6 OA 3cl. 1967 Coppà Città di Enna 6 OA 1cl - 1967 Monte Erice Coppà Stefano Fontana Giugno 3cl. 1967 Coppà Nissena - Giugno 2 OA. 1967 Coppà Monti Iblei Troffeo Kendall - Giugno 3 OA 2cl. 1967 Val d'Anapo Sortino - Giugno 3 cl. 1968 Trapani Monte Erice - Giugno 9 OA. 1968 Coppà Città di Enna - Giugno 6 OA 1cl. 1968 Coppà Nissena - Giugno 5 OA 1cl. 1968 Coppà dei Monti Iblei - Giugno 1cl. 1968 Coppà Val d'Anapo Sortino - Giugno 7 Oa 1cl. 1969 Avola Avola Antica - Giugno 2cl. 1969 Belmonte Avola - Giugno 2cl. 1969 - Monte Pellegrino - Giugno 2cl. 1969 Mendola - Giugno 1cl. 1969 Troffeo Cafalu Gibilmanna - Giugno 1cl. 1969 Giro delle Valli Biellesi - Giugno 9 OA 1cl. 1969 Val d'Anapo Sortino - Giugno 1cl. 1970 Targa Florio - Giugno/Sutera 27 OA 2cl. 1970 Coppà Nissena - Giugno 1cl. 1970 Corsa Etna - Giugno 1cl. 1970 Coppà Val d'Anapo - Giugno 1cl. 1971 Trapani Monte Erice - Giugno 1 cl. 1971 Coppà Nissena - Giugno 1cl. 1972 Targa Florio - Giugno/Sutera DNF. 1990 Sold to Genova. FIA papers. 2001 Sold to France.2003 Sold to De Sadelear Switzerland . 2004 : Sold to Autodrome. 2004 : STPO.

010

Original color: Blue/Nero .Alfa Switzerland .Dual ignition head. M. Serafini 2001 England

011

Original color: Rosso.1964 24 Hours Le Mans Businello/Deserti 1cl .and Targa Florio.Peru race car .Dual ignition head. Vegher.M. Sperry.Early 1990 sold to P Paul Pappalardo .1998 Sold to Leonard. Restored USA 2000 , 2002 Sold to England.Car is modified

012

Original color: Grigo Metallizzata. Enzo Bussetti .Italy

013

Original color: Rosso/Nero. Alfa Romeo Vertrieb, Frankfurt, Germany

014


Original color: Bianco/Nero. Alfa Switzerland Twinplug.Badly crashed and front chassis come from 007 Pezold.M. Chisholm, New York, USA. Restored 2001 Germany

015

Original color: Rosso/Nero .French SOFAR Ex Jean Rolland "2945 QD 75" .2/6/64 FIA papers - engine 00511-00015
1964 : Coupe des alpes - 1 OA..Tour France -3 OA,1 ind - - Champion France grand tourisme - 1965 : Circuit Albi - 1 gt -- Lyon charbonnieres - dns - Rallye lorraine -2 OA ,1 ind --Rallye de Geneve -4 OA ,1 gt - Course de cote mont -ventoux, 4 gt,1 cl - - Course cote Mont-dore -1 gt - - Tour du Var -1 OA - Tour de Corse -dnf - Criterium Cevennes - 1 OA - 2 championnat France gt - 1966 : Rallye mistral -2 OA ,1 cl - Circuit Nurburgring, dnf - Ronde cevenole -1 OA
very good palmares with documentation : book Jean Rolland. par Jacques Jaubert and Autopassion n 116 - Sold to Protais Jean-Louis - Sold to Babon Jean-François 5191 HG 78 21/3/77 - Sold to Esquirol Jean-Pierre 15/12/87 15 ZE 95 - Sold to German Collector 1/6/2000.2003 Sold to England.

016

Original color: Blu/Nero ,raced in California by 2 Ladies Gaylard and Rosenstock .Sold to 1977 to John Rosenstock USA.

017

Original color: Verde Giallo/nero. South Africa. June 2000 owner M Middlewick sold the car for 75 000 £ restored ,not original engine ,no roll bar. 2001 England, for sale. 2002 : Holland.

018

French SOFAR Original color: Blue/Nero Sold to Petit, sold to Solignac who crashed it, sold to Damerval. 2001: we've seen the car. Belgium.

019

Original color: Verde Giallo/nero.Guggisberg.Tario Hofer, Switzerland.

020

1965. Original color: Rosso/Nero. Autodelta, De La Rive Box, Huber. Bart Rosman, Nieawland, Holland. 2001: England

021

2001 : We saw the car in Holland

022

Original color: Rosso.Racing car Factory Museum as a show open up car

023

Original color: Verde Giallo. Ajamian. Jerry Gamez, Castro Valley, USA.

024

Test car. 2001 : We saw the car in Spain

025

Original color: Bianco. 1964 12 Hours Sebring Sanesi/Theodoli DNF. 1965 SCCA 2 cl Championship 1966 sold to Paul .1966 SCCA Midwest National 1 OA Divisional.Championship .Accident in Mid America Race way. Rudge hub wheels. Fernandez, restored 1970 sold Morrison. Jerry Woods, Clarkston, Michigan, 1989 Mark Leonard sold to STPO USA.

026

Original color: Rosso. Fabritio Castellani, Rome, Italy.

027

Original color: Verde Giallo/nero.Sold to Italy,had a front accident .Sold to Japan.Red 2000 Monterey Auction .2000 USA Restored in USA .2002 WARNING a replica TZ using this number was built in Paris and still owned by a french customer.

028

Original color: Rosso .racing car, 2 CARS WITH SAME NUMBER 2000 found in Italy need work , sold to Alexandre Pilette/Mecanic Import.Pilette try to sell this car to Canada but the sale fail as the customer contact us.. 2004 : Sold to France 2002 : 2 Cars exist, one in USA with Fantasy Junction. 2004 Sold. Both not originals.



029

Original color: Verde .Carlo "Riccardone" Benelli .Italy

030

Original color: Red ."PTO 55549" Giuseppe Parmiggiani .Italy .Sold to Bardelli 1966 .Citta della Collina - Bardelli DNF accident and destroyed by fire .Remains give for free to Tabucchi Maurizio who reconstruct a new car ."ZA 408 BP" .Fevrier 2002 Auction Paris description by Christian Phlippsen of the catalogue "" during the hill climb Coppa della Collina ,Bardelli spun off and crashed .Luckily (I like these word when you see the photo ) ,with a reduced quantity of petrol on board ,the resulting fire was quickly contained ! ( must be english humour ) ,but the rear of the bodywork and the chassis tubes around the petrol tank were damaged ""2/02/2002 We believe that the car have also a new chassis as we spoke with Bardelli and this one confirm that the car was completely destroy !. Christian Philippsen don t work for Christies after this anormal incident

031

Original color: Bianco. Experimental car. 1964 Targa Florio. Without engine, transmission and other parts. Later dual ignition. s Forristal Zinn, Brian Classic, Voda, Cupellini.Clyde Hosokawa, Hawaii,USA.

032

Original color: Bianco. Fiber glass hood, 6.00x15" wheels. : Claus Scholtyssek, Dreieich, West Germany.

033

Original color: Bianco/Nero. Trandler. Steve Forristall,.Mexico Sold to Japan.

034

Original color: Verde Giallo. Tanini Alessandri .Yellow Restored.Italy.

035

Original color: Verde Giallo Alfa Romeo Lugano.

036

Original color: Verde Giallo/nero. Alfa Belgium Lucien Bianchi .Dual ignition engine. Schoumenburg,. M. Hart, Murphy Yellow Color USA.

037

Original color: Verde Giallo/nero .Benson, Tann.David Vegher, Torrance, California,1991 Pebble Beach auction .USA. Sterling Moss

038

Original color: Blue. Knock off wheels . Lawrence Jones,Said Marouf,Tom Byrns 1750 engine 1997 sold to STPO USA. Blue Color

039

Original color: Blue/Nero GTA head, 6.00x15 wheels. Gilpin. : Rocky Chisholm, Yorba Linda USA. Holland

040

Original color: Blue/Nero. Dan Waggoner, Decatur, Georgia, USA. 2001 Full restoration San Diego

041

Original color: Bianco/Nero Alfa Belgium. 2003 in Belgium.

042

Original color: Bianco/Nero .French SOFAR. 2001 Italy 2002 Sold in Germany. 2003 Sold in Italy.

043

Original color: Bianco/Nero. Alfa England,Guido Bartholomeo who told us that the car was destroyed in a Big accident. Italy 2001 sold to Franco Meiners without any papers for 75000 euro (my contact explain to me that the car was built by Giordannengo and we understand now why Meiners say bads things about us behind ours back as we have the courage to denonce his fake car, and to finish, we have been contacted by a fews collectors who told us that Meiners is very well known to be the king a fake cars). 2003 : We have been contacted by Mr Maier from Switzerland who claim to own the real car with all his papers and claim that the other car is a fake.

044

Original color : Blue/Nero. Accident in 1965. Restored. Anderson. O'Hanlon

045

Original color: Rosso/Nero .Von Wegner, Ibing, Schulce, Colombo, Cupellini. Luciano Donzelli, Milan, Italy.1991 Geneva Auction

046

Original color: Blue/Nero. French SOFAR, destroyed in 1984 at Zandword Holland during race (roll over many times). Rebuilt completely. 2001 France.

047

Original color: Bianco/Nero. French SOFAR .Pibarot, Rousseau, Montanari, Fabulet ,Tulli .Italy

048

Original color: Azzuro Iseo. Regazzoni, Fenniger,restored ,Minoru Kawamoto, Tokyo, Japan.

049

Original color: Bianco/Nero. French SOFAR .Delliere .M. Falco

050

Original color: Blue/Nero. Girolami, Colombo, Schouwenburg, Hart, .Alessandro Ripamonti, Milan, Italy 1982 Sold to USA without nose,engine,gearbox,interior,steering column .1998 Mark Leonard sold to Switzerland .Blue Color.2002 Sold to Italy

051

Original color: Rosso/Nero 1964 12 Hours Sebring Wuesthoff/Dietrich DNF - Elwood MacGowan, San Jose, USA.

052

Original color: Rosso/Nero .1964 12 Hours Sebring Kaser/Stoddard 1 cl 2 Regional Events 1966 .Hurt Racing Enterprises sold to Paul .1968 3 Races in C-Production .Tenney,1970 sold to Isett, Ball.Steve Patience, Hayward, California, USA.

053

Original color: Blue/Nero. Dual ignition, glass windows. Walker, Banks, Sorrell, Cabrol.O'Hanlon, England.

054

Original color: Blue/Nero. Ludovico Denza .Accident Italy

055

Original color: White . Big racing crash in 1965 (we have photo). Fernand Maria, St. Maur,1997 2002 Sold to Belgium .

056

Original color: Rosso/Nero Italy .Bersano .Chiarena .Ciaburri 2001 Red Color USA

057

Original color: Rosso/Nero. Showroom car, Autodelta dual ignition.1964 Pampana Otello 24/3/77 Sold to Paolucci Anna- Restored. Girolami. M. Arengi, Italy. F.I.A Papers.France

058

Original color: Bianco/Nero.. Todaro. George C. Pezold.

059

Original color: Rosso/Nero. French SOFAR Street Engine .1964 Sold to Buzzi who crash it badly 1 week after the purchase .Send back to Italy where the car was badly repaired .Repaint Silver and raced by Buzzi .In 1969 engine broken and exchange with twin plugs engine .Sold to Pibarot .2002 France

060

Original color: Rosso/Nero.Rezzaghi Motors, John W. Ebell :1970 sold Marnix Dillenius,California , Engine 1750 (original engine in a box )USA. Road & Track 2/1995. 24000 track miles 2001

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061

Original color: Bianco/Nero. 1964 Targa Florio 1 cl .3 OA . 1 OA Italian Hill Climb Championship Facetti prepared Roof Double Bubble made for Nabokow because he was very tall, sold to Brunninghausen.for 4750 $ in 1965 .engine change in 1967 exchange with Crompton for TZ 2 and paid 250 $ in 19 october 1967..Nick and Leonie Langford, Castle-maine, Victoria, Australia. 1990 Auction Nov. Auckland. 2000

062

Original color: Bianco/Nero. Alma Bondini .Accident Italy 2002 Japan

063

Original color: Bianco/Nero. Glass windows. Maranello Motors, Oakes, Orza.1969 27 Jully. O'Hanlon, England.had a very big accident ,chassis badly damage ,New bonnet ,new roof,New front chassis rebuilt with race specification .Sold to Auction in England ,sold to Japan .2000 .We have pictures of the car .December 2000 Leonard .sold to STPO .USA

064

Original color: Bianco/Nero .French SOFAR . Engine Conrero., Damerval who crash it badly , Pourret. M. Oyama,Japan.

065

Original color: Rosso. Experimental car. 1983 Fia Cup Historic , driven by Stefano Senin. 2001 Factory Museum

066

Original color: Rosso/Nero. Racing car tuned by Facetti, dual ignition, Colotti transmission. Maasland. Carel Stalff .Wassenaar , Holland. 1997 Mark Leonard sold to STPO Yellow color .USA

067

Original color: Rosso/Nero. Alfa Romeo Belgium .Lurani. Giuseppe Lucchini,Italy. tuned by Mirabella. 1984 Fia Cup .2001 USA

068

Original color: Rosso/Nero. Alfa Belgium .1964. 6.00 x 15 wheels; descending windows. Sammuller, Margulies, Giddings, Ross, Carter. :M. Larogue, USA..Hezemans sold to Japan but keep the papers..1991 car Targa Florio (engine broken ).2001 Japan -

069

Original color: Rosso/Nero.Archambeau Team .1750 engine not original. Larrousse, , Hubert. M. Carre, France. 1992 : Paul Ricard - Mimran - Auction Geneva 1997, not originals wheels.We have more history.2001 in Argentina

070

Original color: Rosso .Eugene Smith raced in USA sold to Bruce Yanyoe sold Robin Rubin sold to Murphy .Air vents of the nose not original .November 1990 London Auction .2000 USA for sale not original engine

071

Original color: Bianco/Nero. Alfa England .Dooley.2002 in France, we believe that the car is not original

072

Upgrated to TZ 2 chassis 750104

073


Original color: Rosso/Nero.Walker/Day racing team - . Goodwood meeting Hegbourne, 3rd i. cl. Spa 500 kmHegbourne, fatal crash.Car destroyed .1999, Nurburgring auction :Don't believe everything from an auction catalog.2000 Targa Florio we see the car,and we strongly believe that it's a replica ! - 2001 Spain

074

Original color: Rosso/Nero. Italy

075

Original color : Rosso/Nero .French SOFAR.Conrero Engine Twin plugs .Plexiglass Glass and Fiberglass Bonnet GR 4 Light Weight .Sold to Van den Berg "6677 CQ 14" 1965 Coupe des Aples DNF .1967 Sold to Lanchais "293 UA 75" 1968 Sold to Barthelemy "7390 AP 94" 1979 "2210 QX 50" Sold to Amaury "1600 TZ 14" 2002. Need Restoration.The Most Untouched TZ Race Car in the World. 2002 : Car under restoration but keep the original paint and body. 2003 : Mechanics restoration finish. 2003 : Sold to England.

076

Original color: Rosso/Nero. French SOFAR .France

077

Original color: Rosso/Nero. Alfa Switzerland Twin Plugs .7.00x13 wheels. Walter Pauli, Ins,.Roll cage .1991 Paris Auction. Obrist sold to Ecclestone Restored .2001 for sale England

078

Original color: Rosso/Nero. Autodelta sold to Peru, sold to Venezuela, 1992 need full restoration sold to USA, sold 1994 to Italy 2001 .Modena

079

Upgrated to TZ 2

080

Original color: Rosso/Nero. French SOFAR 2003 .France

081

Original color: Rosso/Nero. Girolami, Fazi.Japan.

082

Original color: Rosso/Nero. Alfa England .David Brumstedj , USA.

083

Original color: Rosso/Nero. French SOFAR .Dual ignition engine. Auction 1992 need completion .Gary Hanes, Murphy USA. 2000 : USA for sale

084

Original color: Rosso/Nero. Italy .Red Maria Benucci .Ascoli Piceno .Richard Stafferton,2002 Belgium.2 cars with same chassis number, the one sold by Franco Meiners have a wrong roof (see also TZ 043)

085


Original color: Rosso/Nero "UD 110 790 ".1965 Coupe des Alpes. Jean Rolland. DNF.25/5/1966 sold to Aldo Bardelli (we have the original invoice from Autodelta) .Dual ignition engine. 1971 sold to Armando Ciuffi , Targa Florio.1989 sold to Spinetti - August 2000, Nurburgring auction .Italy 2003 in Belgium

086

Original color: Rosso/Nero. French SOFAR .Granata, Italy.

087


Original color: Rosso/Nero. Sold new to Switzerland 1994 Still in Switzerland 2000 sold to Holland .2002 I see car and the originals papers. Same car with this number is in Italy own by a english man who attack the writer of the book as we say to the world that his car was fake,I had seen the car .2006 Jason Wright have remove the chassis number of his car and now the only TZ with chassis 087 is Pass car.
SCOOP : Letter to Jason Wright who attack with a wrong review Philippe Olczyk

088

Original color: Rosso/Nero. GTA engine. Hug, Flach, Nichio Kogure, Gumma-Ken, Japan.

089

Original color: Rosso/Nero. Alfa Romeo Deutschland. 2000 engine. Schinko. Switzerland

090


Colour : Red/Black Type: Street Date: 09-04-65
"PD 212533" Dual ignition
9/4/65 Sold to Paseto
7/7/68: Sold to Gentilini
6/8/68 Sold to Liviero
21/2/79 Sold o da Prato via Giulio Dubbini
2000 Sold at auction in Monaco to Huber Georges in Zurich
Having now inspected the car and reviewed the documents relating to its history it now appears that the chassis of the car is may be original with
major parts of the body replaced during restoration or reconstruction.

091

Original color: Rosso/Nero.Descending windows. s Girolami, Colombo, Von Wegner. : Peter Kaus, 1990 sold to auction Paris 2 500 000 ff - 1997 auction Paris 2001 - France

092

Original color: Rosso/Nero. Dual ignition, 6.00x15" wheels. :Olindo Suraci. G.F. Salvetti, Italy.

093

Original color: Blue/Nero .Alfa Romeo Germany 1965. Glass windows, bumpers, descending windows.Willy Lentzen, Darmstadt, West Germany..

094

Original color: Bianco/Nero. French SOFAR .Destroyed by Fire at ST Just la Pendue (42) France Engine 164 - street car, Boel / France - 1998 Geneva auction Sold to Belgium collector who trade it with money for a 33 Stradale. Sold to Susan Dixon USA We have many reasons to believe that the car is not original.- 2000 USA. 4 August 2002 Susan (alfasun@mohawkmail.com) made theses comments on a website."I despise this guy, an I've never even met him. I also have a long memory. Someday, if I get in the same room with, if you haven't finished off, I'll kick his butt too. He desperately needs it. Vitriolically yours. Susan." We email with Susan and try to inspect his car ,but his only reaction was to insult us. 2003 9 January new comments from SUSAN who complain that as we disagree with her, she is a victim (ANOTHER VICTIM OF THIS POISON). 2003 February, we have photos of this car that Susan send us finally but she didn't realise that she don t known very well the TZ as his car is missing some importants number from the chassis number, please contact us if you want more details of this special car.! If somebody want to explain to Susan that a normal TZ chassis number start by 105 11 AR, with 094 TZ , the 105 11 number is missing ! 2007 Car have been sold in auction for 380 000 $ and noboody raise the flag about all theses problems. Comments

Car sold in auction and nobody raise the question on the missing chassis number number ?
The auction company have no idea what a correct number is or don t want to have a idea.
A profile have been made in the magazine sportcarmarket by Thor Thorson but again, nobody raise the flag about the incorrect chassis number. All they can say is that my datas is controversial, SURE, it s true and it s controversial because theses people don t want to see the facts, they just want to believe that everythings is great and that everybody is nice. Thor Thorson have the honnesty to recognise that he is NOT a expert of Alfa TZ and that in the past , he have been foul by a replica and have lost a lots of money, Profile by Thor Thorson "About seven years ago a man associated with my company raised his hand at an auction and bought what was represented as chassis 003. We in turn sold it on to England where it was discovered to be an absolute fake. We bought it back and resold it as a known replica for roughly 20% of a real car's value. "

Now, when a man don t known the difference between a good car and a replica, why this same man wrote a review ? I wonder why Keith Martin ask a blind man to make a review about a film !

Now If I had say that the car is the best on the planet, they will have printed my report in the catalogue auction !. But I ve said that the car was burn by fire, not very good when you claim that your car is 100 % correct !
And to justify their imcompetence, they try to discredit me by attacking my datas. They claim that my datas is incorrect but it s the only way for them to justify the fact that they have sold a car without a correct chassis number who have been in a fire !
Bush have been is Iraq for the freedom of the Iraq citizen, nothing to do with oil ! No controvery there !
We have all the reasons to believe that many people don t want to see the evidences to be show in public. The reason is only money, nothings new.

095


Original color: Azzurro/Nero. Torino show, not working. Ladisa, Colombo,. M. Kosaka, Japan.

096

Original color: Rosso/Nero. French SOFAR -Swisterland .Holland 1993 : Japan - 2000 Leonard sold to STPO .USA

097

Original color: Rosso/NeroNassau . Restored. : Bob Alexander, Canada.

098

Original color: Rosso/Nero .French SOFAR .France

099

Original color: Rosso/Nero .French SOFAR. Giorgio Schoen, Milan, Italy.New alloy doors .Sold to Japan 1989 .Sold to England in 1997.2002 Sold

100

Original color: Rosso/Nero. 1965 SOFAR.Sold to Corsica, 1980 sold to Larive, 1987 sold to Richard Crump.1985 sold to Tim Mittler USA. 2004 sold to John Weinberger.BE CAREFULL 1990 A FAKE was built in Italy and sold to Mimran who put it in 1997 Geneva Auction .2001 Court justice again Sotheby for selling fake car. 2003 Sotheby lost the case and give back the money to the customer..2005 I inspect the car from Sotheby sale, it s 100 % fake, and I have advise the french mecanic of Mimran to remove the chassis number and sell it as a replica in a public auction.Real car is the one in USA

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101

Bertone Canguro, wrecked. Bertone.Gary Schmidt, West Germany. rebuilt Sold to Japan[/i]

102

Original color: Bianco/Nero..Ernst Prisbee, 1996 Leonard sold to STPO .USA.

103

Original color: Grigo Metallizzata/Nero.1984 Fia Cup Historic 1 OA . Bottini.Giuseppe Lucchini, Brescia, Italy.

104

Original color: Rosso/Nero.TZ 2 - Racing car .in Brasil,We didn t see the car

105

Original color: Blue/Nero .Descending windows, rear bumpers. Monzeglio. Fritz Durnberger, 1997 Leonard sold to dealer . 2001 Restored USA

106

Original color: Rosso/Nero UD 111 832 Autodelta -1965 12 Hours Sebring 1ST class 11/1968 Sold to Jolly Club 1968 Targa" VI 159195" 11/1968 sold to Piccolotto Pierlorenzo ., Pilkington who say that this car have a alloy front bonnet . Steve Forristall, USA sold to Japan .

107

Original color: Rosso. ,We known the racing history .Balzaretti and Modigliani fiberglass reinforced body.Rosati,1967 crash in Mugello. Saitti, Guarnieri. Gialio Dubbini,Italy.Sold to Chiapparrini .2002 Sold to England

108

Original color: Rosso. "UD 100 338".-Fiberglass-reinforced plastic body 1970 Pergusa .Semilia .DNF destroyed... 1991 .Remains suspension use to built a TZ 2 replica Giordannengo .New chassis,new body ,new interior.We have photos.2002 Advertise in USA and try to sell as a real car

109

Original color: Rosso TZ 1.Car was destroyed in Nurburgring race in 1965 by Jean Rolland

110

Original color: Rosso .Fiberglass-reinforced .photos .2001 Italy

111

Original color: Rosso .Road TZ 2. Autodelta, Cecchi, Schiavon. Spinetti, Italy.1998 Auction Germany

112

Original color: Rosso .TZ 2 Alloy with chassis number 109 and 112 was in Australia( ,we have customs papers from 1968 where you read chassis 109 ) from 1966 with Alec Mildren racing team.Warwick Farm Rac Trophy 2 OA ,Surfer Paradise DNF,Surfer Paradise 12 hours Rothmans 3 OA ,Warwick Farm Country Club GT race 3 OA ,Warwick Farm Sport Car 1 OA, sold to Roy Crompton ,,sold in November 1967 to Brunninghausen With 1930 cc engine ,1968 Warwick Farm Sport car 7 OA ,Surfer Paradise 6 OA ,Sandown Park DNF crash ,Oran Park 3OA ,Catalina Park DNF crash ,Warwick Farm DNF, Oran Park 4 OA ,chassis was badly damaged and was rebuilt in Australia ,( we have photos of the accident and many racing photos )1968 Macau Grand Prix 3 OA .sold to Denis Gribben 1969 Catalina Park DNF,Oran Park 1 OA ,1971 sold to Les Miller ,1973 sold to Robertson,1973 sold to Hopkins,to Whting,to Fullard to Said Marouf in late "80 ( Australian papers from 1989 show chassis 109 ) "who had the car restored, they remove a chassis plate who was wald on the chassis ,1999 sold by dealer .

113

Original color: Rosso/Nero .TZ2.A replica built by Thomasso and own by a Florence Italy collector (da Prato) who claims this chassis number .We have also photos of replica built today in 2002 a replica TZ spyder.

114

Pininfarina Giulia Sport. Show car : M. Matsuda, Japan.

115

Original color: Rosso. .TZ2. : Alfa Romeo Museum , Italy.

116

Original color: Rosso/Nero TZ 2.Bardelli Racing Car Fernand Maria, France sold to USA. Bob Ruben 1985 STPO

117

TZ 2 .we have the original invoice of Autodelta 23/11/1967 sold to Bardelli but for differents reasons ,we don t believe that the car see in the Nurburgring auction is the original Bardelli car .We have plenty of originals photos. Peter Kaus, August 2000, Nurburgring auction Bad condition. No papers, No proofs of any History. Catalogue auction is not a GUARANTEE of real history. Fake Bid. Not sold. 2004 Sold to Grist ENGLAND. We will go to inspect the car .

Très bien mis à part qu'Olczyc est un gros qui raconte ce qu'il veut quand ça l'arrange et qui pollue l'afa BB (l'equivalent de Duvy aux US) dès qu'on parle de Zagato. Demandez aux américains ce qu'ils en pensent. Il a même intenté des procès à d'éminents spécialistes des Alfa classiques car ils l'on contredit publiquement, notament sur la ridicule polémique de l'Asardo, qui serait soit-disant (dans son bouquin) le prototype de la TZ. Par hasard Olczyc venait d'entub... euh de vendre ladite Asardo (un gros paquet de $$$$$$) exactement au même moment...

Quand à son soi disant bouquin, dont le texte est d'une pauvreté inouie, il s'est même permis de retoucher des photos d'époque pour mettre de la pub pour sa boîte (www.classicar.com): Si SI regardez en p38...c'est dire le niveau du personnage. Reste la collection de photos, qui sont presque toutes disponibles dans les banques de données photographiques (aux US notament, mais présentes à Rétromobile, si vous cherchez une photo particulière), contre espèces sonnantes et trébuchantes.

Il essaye d'ailleurs il essaye ou a essayé de faire passer sa propre TZ, qui est notoirement une réplique (qui ne sort même pas de chez Giordanengo !!), pour une vraie.... Un gentleman je vous dit !!

Pour les châssis de TZ, je fais plus confiance à M MINERBI qui LUI est un véritable spécialiste de ces auto.

D'ailleurs ce dernier met la dernière main à une version révisée de son livre("Alfa RomeoZagato SZ, TZ", ed 1000 Miglia), dont la dernière édition date de 86... quand même. Bouquin introuvable et très recherché, que tout amateur de SZ et TZ se doit de posséder. Pour le châssis 750.101, ils sont d'accord tous les deux car cette voiture est connue comme le ,loup blanc et il n'y a pas de pb ppour l'historique. Par conte pour d'autres N° de TZ, c'est plus problématique: Il y a jusque 3 voitures qui réclament le même N° de châssis !!!


Cordialement
Sébastien

C'est vrai que cette vieille affaire de vrais faux ou faux vrais TZ1 & TZ2 a toujours été très croustillante

Mais il y a pire, les vrais fausses Giulia Ti Super 1600, il en resterait environ 80/90 alors que de part le monde, il y en a actuellement plus de déclarées que de construites, cachées derrière des dossiers d'homologation FIA VEC VHC
Baboon



Beaucoup ont été un abimées, ENFIN juste un peu......

Super Baboon, les photos,

Toutes choses étant égales par ailleurs, il est beaucoup plus facile de transformer une Giulia Ti en Ti Super que de fabriquer de toute pièce une TZ. Rien que son châssis tubulaire est un cauchemar pour un plombier, et il y a tellement de petits détails spécifiques que la copie est facilement identifiable... en théorie. Parce que comme les Ti Super, elles ont tellement tapé et été reconstruite que l'authenticité est dure à prouver (idem pour les moteurs) . Certaines voitures ont même été séparées en 2: Le châssis a servi de modèle pour une copie, et la carrosserie originale a été montée sur le nouveau châssis. L'ancien châssis reçoit la nouvelle carrosserie. Idem pour le moteur, le bloc sur une voiture, la culasse sur l'autre.etc... Et les spécialistes sont incapables d'identifier la voiture car il y a plein de détails OK (logique, sur les éléments originaux), et plein d'autres qui clochent. Dans le doute, pas de conclusion.... et la(les) voitures finissent toutes les 2 par être réputées authentiques. Bien entendu, la 2 ème est retrouvée dans une grange dans un pays ou on peu créer une CG facilement et ou elles ont effectivement couru (au Pérou ou en Argentine) et le tour est joué. La demande (très forte) fait le reste.

Giordanengo, le célèbre faussaire de Ferrari, en a fabriqué plus d'une dizaine dans son atelier de Cuneo, entre 2 berlinettes 250 GTO

Dans un registre plus modeste , c'est pareil pour les Simca 1000 Rallye 3. Beaucoup ont été détruites en course et les proprio on remonté la voiture à partir d'une Rallye 2 et ont gardé leur CG de R3.
Là idem, il y a plus de R3 actuellement en circulation qu'il n'en a été fabriqué. Par contre allez trouver une rallye 2 équipée du kit SRT77 (c.a.d les pièces spécifiques qui ont été montées d'origine sur la R3) ...! Bonne chance ...elles ont toutes été transformées en R3 !!

Cordialement
Sébastien

salut !!

entièrement d'accord... combien de Ti super que l'on voient rouler en VHC ou même en régul.. sont authentiques... ?? ... à mon avis quelques unes ont oubliées qu'elles sont nées.. Ti "normale"....
çà me rappelle un jour de la bourse d'echanges de Loheac, où les "8gord" étaient invitées, un pote alfiste qui les avaient bien connues neuves à l'époque, stupéfait devant le nombre impressionnant présentes, me disait en voir plus actuellement qu'à l'époque.. neuves ou tout du mois récentes, quand on sait la vie "tourmentée" qu'elles z'ont eues (tout comme les Ti super d'ailleurs)..... j'me demande...

Alfistement
Stph'

Super Baboon ..
Cà me permet de répondre à une question posée, mais tu as sans doute compté toi-même !
Je compte 19 TZ importées direct en France (non par Renault qui était seulement distributeur, mais par la SoFAR)
Il s'agirait des n° 15-18-42-46-47-49-59-64-75-76-80-83-86-94-96-98-99-100, auxquels on peut ajouter la 84 (citée dans Zagato Cars, mais pas dans ta liste) ...
J'en ai vu certaines courir en VHC à Montléry ou Angoulême (46 laborde, 49 fabulet, 100 larive).
Et au fait, la Giulia Sport carrossée Pinifarina est la 114 (une TZ2 donc)..
Alfamania

alfamania a écrit:

Et au fait, la Giulia Sport carrossée Pinifarina est la 114 (une TZ2 donc)..
Alfamania

Ouai ouai Alfamania, c'est celle ci
https://alfa-romeo-classique.forumactif.com/Le-grand-comptoir-du-Bistrot-parlez-nous-de-vous-et-de-vos-voitures-f2/Giulia-1600-Sport-Tubolare-Pininfarina-t1424.htm
Merci à toi
Baboon

alfamania a écrit:

Super Baboon ..
J'en ai vu certaines courir en VHC à Montléry ou Angoulême (46 laborde, 49 fabulet, 100 larive).

Alfamania

La voiture ayant appartenu à A.Larive ( n° 100) était de couleur blanche, alors il y a peut être une erreur concernant la couleur indiquée(rouge/noire) ?
J'ai vu cette auto de très près à plusieurs reprises dans les années 83/85..

Rosso.

alfamania a écrit:

Je compte 19 TZ importées direct en France (non par Renault qui était seulement distributeur, mais par la SoFAR)
Il s'agirait des n° 15-18-42-46-47-49-59-64-75-76-80-83-86-94-96-98-99-100, auxquels on peut ajouter la 84 (citée dans Zagato Cars, mais pas dans ta liste) ...
J'en ai vu certaines courir en VHC à Montléry ou Angoulême (46 laborde, 49 fabulet, 100 larive).

Dans mes fichiers, j'ai aussi la 55 (à l'origine blanche, produite le 14-12-64, importée le 26-2-65) et la 69 (importée le 10-4-65).

Par contre, il vaut mieux laisser tomber la 84. Je suppose que c'est la "silver" qui est visée. La 84 est en fait une auto rouge, avec une ligne de toit particulière, dont la première propriétaire était Maria Benucci d'Ascoli Piceno (I)

Citation :

Et au fait, la Giulia Sport carrossée Pinifarina est la 114 (une TZ2 donc)..
Alfamania

La Canguro Bertone est aussi sur chassis TZ2.

Personnellement, j'aurais évité de reproduire la liste d'O. Ca ne peut que faire du tort à tout le monde, y compris au site et à ses administrateurs comme l'histoire l'a montré à beaucoup d'autres auparavant (cf les épisodes auxquels Sébastien fait référence - il y en a eu beaucoup d'autres). Et par ailleurs, cette liste est "sujette à caution" comme on dit... , donc ce n'est pas forcément un service rendu aux lecteurs "non avertis".

Et puisqu'on y est, qui connaît la 009, qui devrait être propriété d'un membre du club?

Je cherche des infos sur les TZ ayant appartenu à la Gendarmerie Nationale française, juste avant les René Bnoot Jet, puis les Alpine 110.
Baboon

sprint750 a écrit:

Très bien mis à part qu'Olczyc est un gros qui raconte ce qu'il veut quand ça l'arrange et qui pollue l'afa BB (l'equivalent de Duvy aux US) ..................
Cordialement
Sébastien

C'est quoi ca !!!

Je crois que sprint750 dit que l'Alfa BB est aux forums américains ce que Duvy.org est dans le monde francophone.

+1

vi Florian, c'est bien aussi comme cela que je l'ai compris

Stph'

PS : .. 'tain .. il n'est pas récent ce sujet.... on étaient d'jeun's à l'epoque.. !

Merci ActionMan et alfabiscione,

Vu comme ca, cela me rassure. Je ne me voyais pas du tout comparé au personnage en question dont la réputation est plus que douteuse.

Bonne journée,
Yvon

duvy a écrit:

sprint750 a écrit:

Très bien mis à part qu'Olczyc est un gros qui raconte ce qu'il veut quand ça l'arrange et qui pollue l'afa BB (l'equivalent de Duvy aux US) ..................
Cordialement
Sébastien

C'est quoi ca !!!

Bonjour,

Tu as trouvé un sujet de 2007 !!
ne t'inquiète pas du tout... la phrase est bien tournée mais les subtilités de la langue française fait qu'on peut avoir deux lectures !

Il veut juste dire que l'alfaBB aux US est l'équivalent de Duvy.org en francophonie.

bonne semaine
JaB

Ps - comment avance l'auto de Damien ?

AlfaProvence a écrit:

Ps - comment avance l'auto de Damien ?

Laquelle la jaune ou la Fredmobile

La Fredmobile est terminée en ce qui me concerne :
http://www.duvy.org/Renforcement%20de%20la%20caisse
http://www.duvy.org/Peinture%20Fredmobile
et ...
http://www.duvy.org/capot_giulia_en_carbone

Je suis occupé avec la jaune ... sera faite dans une bonne quinzaine


après avoir enlevé les autocollants ... couche de vernts

duvy a écrit:

Laquelle la jaune ou la Fredmobile

La Fredmobile est terminée en ce qui me concerne :
http://www.duvy.org/Renforcement%20de%20la%20caisse
http://www.duvy.org/Peinture%20Fredmobile
et ...
http://www.duvy.org/capot_giulia_en_carbone

je pensais à la Fredmobile hommage. auras-t-elle aussi les portes en carbone ou "seulement" le capot.

Bonne semaine
JaB

Je suis occupé à faire la malle arrière et les portes c'est pour bientôt.
Le boulot est assez conséquent et pour rester dans les délais, j'ai postposé les portes.

On s'est déjà vu lors d'une de mes descente ds le sud ?

duvy a écrit:

On s'est déjà vu lors d'une de mes descente ds le sud ?

Non, en fait, j'étais souvent sur duvy.org puis sur le giulietta passion et nous avons souvent correspondu par email - Jean et toi avez été de bons conseils dans mes quêtes de 750-101.
Parallèlement, je connais Damien car on est presque voisin (15 bornes) et copain en commun - Marc (Giulia Mig Etoile rouge) a amené son auto au banc avec nous, etc, etc, etc